This is positive news. I was asked about this the other day, and if I would get involved. Doesn’t matter who you are, we are being duked over every single day by the super rich in this country.
Of course the plugs over at Dakota Wuss College defend the super rich bloodletting;
One of a guy wearing a t-shirt with explicit language cracked me up, but I chose not to post it on the SDWC. Other photos are just offensive and disrespectful.
You wanna know what is OFFENSIVE AND DISRESPECTFUL? That ignorant, right-wingers like yourself would defend the 1% who are raping the other 99% of Americans daily. We know very well that you don’t belong to that 1%, so why would you defend them? Because, you are an buttkissing weasel that has a dream that your ego may fit in the same room with these people some day. Keep dreaming while you eat their turd sandwiches.
I believe you have a typo, I think you meant slugs not plugs.
No. I meant plugs – ASS plugs. I edited the original post.
It’s time to cut the amount of deductions and write offs these people enjoy. Take away their ability to hire accountants/financial planners/lawyers to hide their income from the IRS.
How about identifying specific issues and presenting feasible, realistic plans to resolve those issues? It doesn’t have to be detailed, even something general might be useful.
The 99% figure is accurate, but is being cited incorrectly; it is 99% of these OCCUPY participants that give the other 1% a bad name. It’s good to see that the park owners and Mayor Bloomberg are finally kicking their lazy, filthy asses out of Zuccotti Park. Quit your crying and go get a fucking job.
There are so many unemployed. This group seems to be mostly people with idle lives looking for everything to protest. Its favorable because discontent forces government to focus on the problem. However, growth of this movement could become a civil and class revolution leading up to violent events.
And another thing; I’m not part of the 1% and by definition neither are the rest of the 99%. At the same time, I’m not eating anyone’s turd sandwich. Here’s what I am doing: I’m working hard to provide and care for my family, as well as thoughtfully and generously donating my money, time and efforts to private charitable organizations that do good things and really help people in need. I’ve been without work many times for many reasons in my life; I’ve quit jobs, I’ve been fired, I’ve been down-sized, I’ve been right-sized, I’ve owned a business that failed, I’ve worked for businesses that have failed. You know what I did when this happened? I went out and got another job. It wasn’t always what I wanted to do and it didn’t always pay what I wanted it to pay or what I thought I was worth, but it PAID and I did what I had to do to take care of my responsibilities. You have to do what you have to do in order to be able to do what you want to do. I didn’t blame the government, or rich people, or evil business owners. I didn’t scrawl a sign on a piece of cardboard and sit in a park to protest against the man keeping me down. What I did was very simple. It wasn’t easy, but it was simple. And you know what? I might be out of a job tomorrow. I don’t think I will, but if I am, I’ll do it all over again.
The problem is most people don’t understand the income tax and why and who really created it. Many don’t know that it never at all enters the treasury. It only interest on the debt for issuing Federal Reserve notes as it was set up to do in 1913.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfks6IRtXBk
The Federal Reserve private bank are the ones to blame for absorbing and exporting the value of our dollar then allowing the financial institutions to buy up the foreclosed properties for pennies on the dollar. Basically it’s a vehicle to consolidate power. they use corporations to centralize power through the FDA (Monsanto), EPA, NSA, etc..
I do agree most who are in the 99% are confused and blame the wrong parties. Yes they do take advantage of people when they can (corps) but the government via NGO’s and CFR are the ones who create policy which allows this to happen.
The key to understanding is a book called “The Creature of Jekyll Island”. It tells how it was planned to use the income tax to limit the power of the individual from becoming too strong and mighty.. The country can and has survived w/o a federal income tax.
This isn’t about having a job, it is about greed and corruption.
You mean like corporations that have X straight quarters of record setting profits, and then feed their employees lines about tough economies and doom and gloom when it comes time for a raise or a bonus?
Show me the specific examples of all these corporations who have experienced ANY straight quarters of record setting profits over the past three years. I follow corporate earnings very closely every quarter and there are there some, unquestionably, but it is definitely the exception, not the norm. A lot of companies are running very lean due to reduced revenues as well as regulatory uncertainty. These defensive, cost-cutting measures will help prevent companies from going out of business until the economy cycles upward. It will also improve margins and make the company APPEAR to be operating at record levels of profit. Companies don’t want record profits from cost-cutting, they want it from growth.
Here’s an idea; why don’t you and the unwashed OCCUPY masses go out and start your own sunshine and rainbows companies where everyone gets paid whatever it is you think is a “living wage” and prove your theory? Or at least share your master plan with the rest of the world?
Information for OCCUPY SOUTH DAKOTA (in solidarity with OCCUPY WALL STREET events everywhere) events on Saturday and Sunday
The South Dakota Peace and Justice Center has just issued a statement concerning the Occupy Wall Street movement: “The South Dakota Peace and Justice Center strongly support this outcry for greater economic justice in this country as a principle for public policy.”
To all participants in the events: Remember, everything you do while engaging in a protest will reflect both on your local protest and on the OCCUPY WALL STREET movement as a whole. That’s why all participants must recognize that these are NON-VIOLENT PROTESTS. Violent or aggressive behavior towards any individuals WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!
OCCUPY RAPID CITY protest:
Day, Time, Location: Saturday, October 15th, Noon, Main Street Square
Preparations: Sign-making Today (13th) and Tomorrow (14th) at Shelter #3 at Canyon Lake Park from 4pm-6pm
Other notes: People are encouraged to bring cameras, cell phones, signs
OCCUPY SIOUX FALLS protest:
Day, Time, Location: Saturday, October 15th, Noon-6pm, 12th and Kiwanis (Battleship Memorial)
Other notes: They do have an event permit.
OCCUPY VERMILLION protest:
Day, Time, Location: Saturday, October 15th, Noon-3pm, Main Street Plaza (West of Cafe Brule)
Other notes: Will feature speakers and musicians throughout the afternoon
OCCUPY SPEARFISH planning event:
Day, Time, Location: Sunday, October 16th, 3pm, City Park
Other notes: All voices will be heard
These events are being held in the wrong locations. They should be on the streets/sidewalks at Premier Bank or Citibank, or Wells Fargo, or the local office of some brokerage firm, etc., not ata city park, or a state memorial, or city hall.
I agree. The problem is that most (young) protesters don’t know what they are protesting. I went to a few Iraq war protests before we attacked. While the Vietnam vets that were there understood why, a lot of the young kids were there because they like flowers an Yahoo for breakfast. I’m all for peaceful protests. But please, know what you are protesting before showing up.
I drove by today – The wife was bitchen that she wanted to go home otherwise I would have hung out.
Here’s shots a friend sent from End the FED Omaha and Occupy Omaha – pretty well attended. Sioux Falls could do better than this you would think..
https://picasaweb.google.com/107623122398906935568/OccupyOmahaOct152011?authuser=0&feat=directlink&gsessionid=TPwkXp1N7fWLI5KG1OKLqA#5663795419852471570
You have no idea what you are protesting. Might as well be prostituting because you are whoring yourself out to the wrong group. Rep Jesse Jackson wants to give the 15 million unemployed gov’t jobs that pay $40K. Where the hell are we gonna get this money? China again? If you want to protest, start at the top. Go to gov’t, they are the ones setting the example. Are banks greedy? Hell yes, that’s how they make money and lots of it. Name one bank that’s a charity.
If we are all in this together, rich and poor should pay their fair share. Since the poor don’t pay shit, why should the rich and the in between?
This generation is a bunch of me me me whiny ass cry babies. And I’m part of this generation, just not the whiny ass part. Get a job or start one. Maybe then you won’t waste all your time blaming someone else.
npo…………..
I have worked multiple jobs at a time for the past 20 years…just to be able to survive….. in a community that pays many of its workers low wages!!
And, YES, I pay federal income tax, property taxes, and sales tax…….
I find your post be extremely nasty and insulting to the “working poor,”……. a group that I am part of.
NPO, you speak as if the Income Tax is something of an honest nature. It’s the making of a slave state at the hand of the banks. The FED is who has debased our currency into a fiat paper with only the value we give it.
Why is silver and gold now the only way to protect your assets? Twice in US history Income taxes were defeated.
We have an attack on property owners. You don’t really own property anymore as the state can take it away. you own it but if you don’t pay the property tax any unconstitutional Sheriff will have you thrown off at force. Yet it’s clear in the constitution no taxes of this sort are needed to be paid if the currency is not backed in gold or silver. (Article 1 Section 10)
Would you teach your children that the Government has power over us? Or that we are the sovereign and government has little to no power? That’s is what happened. We have allowed government to rule and favor the highest bidder shipping jobs overseas and stripping the value of money to consolidate land owners back into apartments while clearing the land.
I suppose it’s best to stay quiet and let the monster grow huh?
This video “The Money Masters” is a complete presentation how your apathy allows the private bankers complete their one world government:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936
And this one- http://www.themoneymasters.com/mm/the-wonderful-wizard-of-oz/
No problem cr. I have worked multiple jobs as well, I payed all those taxes and at tax time got all that money back and then some. I’ve since gone back to school, came out w/a 4 year degree, make a little over $50K. For a family of 5 that’s not a lot of money but we make it work. I’m paying more in taxes and getting less back than what I use to. I’m not out there asking for the rich to pay more because I’m not a whiny ass cracker like that.
You and only you can change your situation. Get out there and make it happen. Start a business, pay that living wage that others don’t. Go back to school, whatever school you want and get a trade/degree in something that will be profitable for you (stay away from teaching/art/psychology).
That’s the great thing about America, the only limits placed on you are by you. We’ve had our own business, it’s not hard to start, you just need to be creative. Realize your potential, honestly it’s limitless. Just be willing to take a RISK! Someone else did. If not, wallow in misery and blame someone else for your misfortune? Really? We as a society need to start using our brains for more than just daily functioning, i.e. breathing, heart beat, digestion, etc.
So my post is not nasty or insulting, it’s truthful… Maybe that’s why it hurts?
npo, you are ignorant and have no clue what is happening then.. I make $150,000 yearly, own my own business and pay 40% or more in income taxes. Yet I’m forced to at the point of a gun while there is NO LAW that I must pay..
I do live quite well but the cards are stacked. 60 years ago I would have been better off making $25,000 yearly and could have saved money and not had to worry about it’s value.
I could have also traveled around the world w/o much worry.
The problem is the total worth of the nation. It’s being totally sucked away. And at the same time we have to ask for permission to do things I wouldn’t have to had given a 2nd guess back in the day.
Your going to see bread prices increase to $8 then $12 and higher. It’s not Wall Street – it’s the FED. The FED created the bubbles which any corp would take advantage. But we also made the mistake of making corporations equal to a person having the same rights.
If you study fractional reserve banking and what happens to the dollar when you take out a loan you will be mortified! I tell all my friends to get the book, Creature of Jekyll Island. It’s 600 pages but will change your life. You then can understand the only tool we have left is non-compliance!
Remember “Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws.”
Mater Amschel Rothschild, founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty.
Case Law – no law to pay income tax – Voluntary. And income tax never enters the US Treasury:
America: Freedom to Fascism-Full Length Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUpZhhbKUBo
Let me first start off by making a statement that I have made for years, and still make today: “I personally have more control over my own financial security than any politician in government.” I firmly believe this to be a fact, and have demonstrated that fact time and time again. Having said that I do have some other thoughts…
Part of the problem in expressing a movement such as this is that a basic part of human nature is the black vs white mentality – a.k.a. us vs them – which is a big part of why our current political polarization is so strong. There is nothing inherently wrong or evil in this, it is literally encoded into our DNA. Our nature is to initially trust another member of our tribe, which in modern terms can be considered our family, our friends, the community we live in, our nation, or our political party. With all other factors being equal, odds are that trusting that the self interest of another member of our tribe supports our own self interest over an “other” who is not a part of our tribe was a pretty safe bet in terms of survival.
Of course, past that initial reaction, a when a person gets to know more about individuals and groups within a larger tribe, they find that there are those outside the tribe that can be trusted more than others within their own tribe.
How does this apply to this situation? Like any movement or political campaign, the common goal starts by choosing an adversary, whether it be an individual, another “tribe,” or an ideal to defeat. The broader the better, to attract common support. We all know that most people elect politicians based on their support or opposition of a few issues that are key to us, and pretty much ignore their viewpoints on other things. For instance, not every Republican voter supports tax cuts, banning all abortions, a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, exempting female soldiers from combat, the death penalty, mandatory and aggressive drug testing, and disbelief in global climate change. But by tying all of these under one banner that party gets the support of many people who could otherwise be considered to have conflicting interests by giving the whole a greater umbrella to express their individual desires.
How does this apply to the “Occupy” movement? The umbrella for this movement is a concern for the ultimate effects of the demonstrable increase in the divide of the distribution of our nation’s wealth between the rich and the working class. This change is a fact, as is the fact that historically in our own nation the divide has not been this sharp since the time of the Great Depression. Another indisputable fact is that such a division in wealth (power) had never been sustainable in recorded human history – it always leads to some sort of a revolution, and often times of the sort that includes bloodshed at the hands of fellow countrymen. To say that that has never happened here is to not understand the reasons behind the American Civil War. Ultimately the South did not want to give up slavery because they felt they had a moral superiority to their black slaves – really what harm would that have done? But that superiority was a much more pleasant rallying point than the very real fact that ending slavery would destroy their economy as they knew it – which did happen after the Civil War. And the simple fact is that no member of the Occupy movement wants either a Great Depression or a Civil War to happen again.
If you think the above is hyperbole, consider this. Six months ago protests inspired by a frustration with a state government’s economic policies started in one city in WI. Now there are protests in every major city in our nation, and even in many small cities. Thousands of frustrated and angry people have become tens of thousands, and now hundreds of thousands. What happens if the number of frustrated people who want to take some sort of action – regardless if you deem the actions or motivations to be irrational – swells to millions? Do you really believe that if the “double dip recession” that is now considered to be a very real possibility comes to pass that this would not happen?
Do not bet your future on human behavior being rational and well thought out – you will lose far more often than you will win.
Considering this, should this movement be ridiculed and ignored, or taken seriously, even if you don’t hear the underlying message and take pleasure from picking apart their statements?
There is no magic bullet to fix this (or any problem). The question keeps getting asked how changing “Item A” or “Item B” will fix things. Truthful answer is that it won’t if that is all that is being done. Just as banning abortion or allowing gay marriage would not fix all our country’s problems, neither will just overhauling the tax code or putting in place a health care system that focuses on healing people instead of making profits. What we need to prosper through this is an overall shift in national will – a focus more on the needs of the working class rather than the greed of pure capitalism. We must find a new balance of power, one that lets successful people be rich and innovative while still allowing most of the country to live comfortably. We have been there before and can be again.
And as for specific examples of the problems? Once upon a time the poor and working class could manage their money in banks through checking and savings accounts. Now there are banks that won’t even allow you to open a savings account unless you meet minimum credit standards. A saving account, one of the most powerful tools in helping an individual leave poverty, a way to hide money from your own impulses – denied fundamentally because the person is already poor. This makes getting out of poverty even harder. Not to mention that having a checking or savings account is a prerequisite to getting a loan for a car or a home, and often to purchase many other services. Try to buy insurance and pay cash for it – you simply cannot. Many insurance companies (and other providers of basic services) only accept electronic payments. There are still many companies that will allow you to pay by money order, but that requires that you pay a fee to send payment – a double whammy considering that if you do not have a bank account you also have to pay a fee to cash your paycheck.
Yes if you work hard enough you can overcome any obstacle. I hear that all the time from both rich and poor. Yet nobody has ever told me why it is better for our nation to force the working class to put more effort into maintaining their status quo rather than bettering themselves, and by extension our nation and its economy. A half century ago a typical middle-class family of four was most often supported either by one primary full-time job held by one spouse, or else with an additional part-time job held by the other spouse. Large companies were profitable, and about the same percentage of our population was considered rich. Today most couples work two full-time jobs, and often struggle to maintain their lifestyle with even only one child. In other words, we had a strong economy in the former situation, there is no reason we cannot have a strong economy with the same distribution of wealth today.
So sure, you have been through hard times, and worked hard for your money, and feel no sympathy for those who have not, or even those who do work hard but have not been as successful in life as you. But do you really want to have to live the rest of your life fighting at least as hard if not harder to hold on to what you already have? Is that what you truly want?
The talking point that is always spewing from the rich and their defender’s mouths cracks me up, “The poor don’t pay income taxes.” Yet most, if they have a job pay payroll taxes, medicare and SS. They also pay sales taxes on anything they purchase (hidden and not hidden). When Janoct ran for mayor against Munson, he brought up this in a forum with the other candidates that were complaining about the homeless. He said, “Heck, even the homeless pay taxes in this community.” This debate isn’t about who pays taxes, it is about everyone getting a fair share of the pie.
Anyone who protects the 1% is pitiful. Let me ask you good sir….what part of survival involves money? realistically? Basic needs? shelter, food, water….last time i checked paper wasn’t an edible resource. You speak of taxes…lol…ya lets see even if they pay all their taxes correctly… they still have 10 plus homes…..20 plus cars….no to mention personal staffing at all residents….i’m not sure where your logic lies….i don’t care what these ppl do….they don’t deserve that high end life while their are homeless, poor, and starving ppl in our country and many, many others. Why are they in that situation? b/c of the greedy….it’s not finding who to blame..it’s seeing what works for the better of humanity as a species and what works best for everyone. Anything less is bad for everyone. A monetary system is inherently corrupt…every dollar borrowed from the 1% is owed back with interest….how do you pay it back? you barrow more money FROM THE 1%…and ppl wonder why economy is consistently going through a period of inflation. The selfish 1% keep the poor ppl under educated, poorly nourished, and STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE so we will do as we are told. Don’t be one of their zombies….we’re all not genius’s but were not that stupid either. We don’t work cause we want to….we work cause we have too…and yes i have been employed during all of this…so it’s not just the lazy unemployed.