By now you have heard many GOP speeches and TV talking heads extolling the virtues of giveaway programs to the rich and powerful while stripping the rest of us of the few remaining morsels available to keep us going. The ‘religious’ based prosperity gospels promoted would have had both the atheist Ayn Rand and St. Ronald Reagan excommunicated from today’s GOP. Even the Randian disciple, Paul Ryan, only uses Ayn Rand like a Perkin’s menu, “I’ll take a little of this with a bit of that, but make it look like a dessert so it will go down easier.â€
Every person I have known who claims to be a Libertarian has no idea what the term ‘Libertarian’ means. To sum up it up a true Libertarian society think in terms of these current Libertarian societies, Haiti and Rwanda. These governments are in place to only protect property rights. Having a government with any more power than protecting who owns what, only gets in the way of raping the land and people.  Is this what we as a society want for America? None of these fake Libertarians understand they would not be allowed to vote or own property in the land of their Randian dreams. If you do not own property in Randian land, you have no rights to anything. We have a land of returning to the middle ages of privileged landed aristocracies. The landed aristocracy will dole out to the serfs the leftovers.
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Former President Clinton has been asking many questions during recent speeches. The most important one has been this, “Do you really want to live in a country where one party is so desperate to win the White House that they go around trying to make it harder for people to vote if they’re people of color, poor people or first generation immigrants?” The Clinton question could not even be allowed in a Randian controlled society much less addressed. We are expanding this question to include South Dakota.
We are asked why we are exposing the Koch Brothers, John Birchers, ALEC, RSLC, TeaBaggers and more. This massive campaign money question now has the Bubba Answer:
“Do you really want to live in a country where one party is so desperate to win the White House that they go around trying to make it harder for people to voteâ€.
The massive money flowing into the special piggy banks of Gant, Jackley, Nelson, Fiegen, Daugaard and more, must be exposed. This allows us see who owns our pretend Libertarians and powerbrokers masquerading as GOP officials.
Just to let you know, a state like South Dakota is where elective offices can be bought ‘cheaply’. They who gain office through this money, is bought and owned by the givers of the money. We all know many of our local money changers who have ‘owned’ offices in Pierre. The demise of Bill Janklow has caused a power vacuum in South Dakota. We now have ‘out of state’ groups filling the money pool in order to own Pierre. Much of this money is given through covert methods and through PACs giving to candidates who in turn give to other candidates.
The givers of the money want to make this state another incubator for their ideas of ownership because you know, ownership has advantages.
AND if you don’t think the voting tabulation companies, such as ES&S are not concerned about keeping us as clients, consider this.
Last year Minnehaha county paid $9,000 for 100,000 BLANK ballots. What are ‘Blank’ ballots? See, you have to use a certain type of ballot when using a certain type of vote tabulation machine. These companies print millions of them. They simply have a special corner cut and a barcode on them. The local auditor is responsible for the final ballot. 9 cents for a blank piece of card stock is highway robbery, and that is why these companies give so dearly to campaigns.
That speech was classic Clinton, which by definition has to and did include several “whopper” type lies including the passage you quoted.
The Republicans want to it harder for people to vote illegally. They also don’t think it’s particularly cool to allow the Democrats to legalize millions of potential voters specifically for the purpose of gaining their votes. They even used an illegal immigrant as a prop at their convention.
The Obama administration has flat refused to enforce the law and since the Senate wasn’t able to pass the Dream Act, they decided as they always do to implement it in sections with their new policy of “temporary” relief from deportation for workers between the ages of 15 & 31. You’d think with unemployment stuck over 8% we’d be looking at ways to disincentivise illegal immigration, but it’s obvious this POTUS is more about votes than jobs.
Sy,
Reality check #1: Voter fraud (someone not being who they say they are when they vote) is practically non-existant. Percentage-wise, somewhere around .00000009. Higher “quality” process than your ISP’s uptime guarantee by a factor of 1000’s X.
Reality check #2: There is currently more emmigration TO Mexico than there is immigration from Mexico. Mexico’s “socialist” economic policies have led to improvements that are attracting people back vs. staying in the US.
Repubs are more about controlling voters than listening to them – and have rejected EVERY jobs bill brought before them, while producing none – and oinstead voting sagainst health reform several times and proposing almost inumerable social issue (governmental intrusion) bills.
Hey look, a column written by someone that has no idea what a libertarian thinks complaining about other people that have no idea what libertarians think.
Haiti and Rwanda? Why not throw North Korea in there as some kind of ultimate straw man?
Plain and simple the GOP does not want people to vote, who do not fit into their old white angry men mold. It has been proven time and time again, voter fraud is nearly nil. Now that the GOP has the Christian crazies brainwashed, the next step is to disenfranchise those it wants to control next. That is minorities, elderly, the young and immigrants.
My father and grandparents were immigrants and I would bet yours were too. Why did we come here? This is no different, legal or illegal. There were those who hated us too and we were white, Christian and Northern European, but poor for the most part.
Yes we need to control immigrations, but to say the Dems are just doing this to gain voters is stupid, as the real agenda is from the GOP side.
As I said, basic economics would tell you that if you want to “create jobs” you don’t do so by further flooding the market with low wage, illegal workers. No other economy in the world allows this to happen.
And again, we have laws on the books and the resources to control our borders. What we currently have is a Justice Department that not only refuses to prosecute cases, but actually is suing states like Arizona who are trying to stop the bleeding.
Sy,
The Obama administration has deported people at a much higher rate than Bush even did.
Basic economics states that if you have people that are willing to work, they should be allowed to work. Illegal aliens aren’t the problem, our ridiculous labor laws are.
Who actively goes and enforces voter fraud? How do you truly find it in a system that is both so full of holes and where the key parts are anonymous? Your ballot (hopefully) has no identifiable characteristics that would allow for someone to trace it and perform an audit down the road. To make a comparison – if murder weren’t illegal would we have the most accurate reporting data on how many people are murdered in a year? Probably not. Then if we were to later say “See, there aren’t many murders! We have only reported x murders this year!” that would probably be inaccurate or false given the holes in the data.
Sy – You really just need to start deleting the emails your brother forwards you from the right-wing blab machine.
To all who seem to miss the primary points of these messages, I am sorry to have seen it move into such negative territory. But I do love the discussion.
I have studied economic theory and traveled a great deal of the world, experiencing a multitude of economic systems. It gas given me a base to discuss Communism, Socialism, Capitalism, Libertarianism and variations of each. By the way when did North Korea subscribe to Libertarian ideals?
Economics has a historical, theoretical and government control basis which must be understood, experienced then taught, to fully explain. A very wise professor used to stress, “to teach is to learn”. Cliche and talking points picked up from biased talking heads do not replace actualities of your own research gleaned from many competing sources.
Rufusx has it right in his #2 comment, there is no worry in this country with illegal voting. The thing we have to worry about is the illegal (often under the guise of legality) election fraud being committed.
This thread was not intended to be an immigration discussion. The SOS – ALEC threads attempt to show the super-rich taking control of our system in ways never dreamed of before. Our founding fathers saw excesses of their day. They gave us means and methods to change the government and Constitution to deal with the abuses caused by a landed aristocracy of the day. We Americans seem to miss this as we have gotten fat and lazy while requiring our media companies to keep us entertained in our living rooms.
Our data project is progressing and finding massive quantities of data. This data could be used as evidence in a proper court of law if we had the ethics laws to protect us. Our search has primarily been directed toward South Dakota state politicians who have been been entrenched in power for too long thumbing their noses at their Constitutional and ethical responsibilities.
Once again, this datamining has not been a search of hands caught in the cookie jar stealing as Jackley tried to make it. It is a presentation of facts showing how money buys power then influencing the process so ‘friends’ can make the money.
Some weak minded politicians search for power, others search for money and there are others who finally figure out how to combine the two. When the third leaves the scene there is a vacuum now being fought over at the expense of us the citizens.
You the public have to rise up and let your candidates know this abuse must stop. This abuse must force candidates and officials to be fired from their jobs, never to be returned to positions of power. IF we had actual ethics laws, they would be cellmates sitting with Blago.
GP,
When has Haiti or Rwanda subscribed to libertarian ideals?
DDC, by virtue of what France, the US and the NGOs have done since the founding of Haiti. It’s well documented in the histories of both countries.
Thank you for showing that you have absolutely no idea what libertarians believe. Now please stop pontificating as if you do.
I am not a huge fan of WIKI but it does establish common narratives, usually in a readable format and tone.
Today’s American FAUX Libertarians should at least read and understand the summary Wiki has on-line to start a refresher course (or a first-time read). To save time here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism.
This is the first WIKI paragraph: “Libertarianism is the group of political philosophies that emphasize freedom, liberty, and voluntary association without violent coercion. Libertarians generally advocate a society with a small government compared to most present day societies, or no government whatsoever.”
In other words, you can force me to do what you want me to do but not the state. The state is only there to protect property rights and no more.
American Libertarians have taken this additional position. They claim a right to tell their neighbors what can do with their bodies and property, but you cannot tell them what to do with theirs. It is a theory of supreme selfishness. If you do something I do not like, just as in Rwanda and Haiti it is my right of revenge to do something to you. Whoever has the most power wins.
Read, learn, experience and your mind will be set free.