It was going to have hotels, retail, restaurants and apartments, well that all changed. From a DaCola foot soldier;

Lloyd would like to construct more lofts to the north and south on Phillips Avenue.

Phillips to the Falls was never intended to be ALL residential. 

This is something I had posted on southdacola previously regarding the Planning Commission/Council’s approval of his current Phillips to the Falls residential project.

At the June 5th 2013 Planning Commission meeting, Craig Lloyd appeared to request a conditional use permit for the property.  It is currently zoned C-3 which allows mixed use with residential ABOVE the first floor.  He is asking for consent to develop a four story building with the first floor consisting of 4,416 sq. ft. of commercial space and 17 TEMPORARY dwelling units.

The reason for his request became clear as he was questioned by the Commission.  The Vice-Chair of the Commission, Jessie Schmidt, clarified with Lloyd that the property had originally been planned as ALL commercial on the main floor, but a conditional use permit is being sought because of financing issues.

This is Craig Lloyd’s response, “Right now DT has more than enough office and retail space VACANT, right around 250,000 sq. ft. vacant DT, and our lenders are not comfortable with having to put a whole bunch more retail.  We went through this process at Uptown, the one that we are just finishing on Main and that’s got residential on the main floor EXCEPT FOR WHAT FRONTS MAIN AVENUE.  We also have the Tri-State Building, by the end of next month most of that main floor will be vacant and the lenders just require us to build residential as much as we can because they can finance it and we can take it to a secondary market, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac who is our secondary market WON’T ALLOW ANYMORE THAN 20% OF YOUR BUILDING TO BE COMMERCIAL, so we’re trying to meet the requirements in those areas.  Looking into the future, because I don’t know how long this will all take to happen, but that’s the reason we’re putting 14 ft. high ceilings on the main floor so that we can convert this at some point in time when the market turns around and the demand turns around to build office space.  We can make a lot more money on commercial than we can residential, BUT IT DOESN’T FIT INTO THE FINANCING PROGRAM.”

Sioux Falls taxpayers have invested millions of dollars in Phillips to the Falls.  It is designed as a gateway to our City’s namesake and to one of South Dakota’s major tourist attractions.  It was NEVER intended that there be residential housing at ground level along this important street.   The vacancy rate for commercial property is obviously high in the DT area and it does not appear this is going to turn around soon.  So, this is hardly a TEMPORARY request for a conditional use permit.  It is not the taxpayers responsibility to modify our City’s Vision for Phillips to the Falls so that Craig Lloyd can secure financing for his project!

In addition, he is also requesting that 25 diagonal parking spaces be placed along Phillips Avenue.  This will create the same kind of situation as on South Phillips Avenue with cars backing in and out of traffic.  Is this really what Phillips to the Falls was designed for?

Now that he’s gotten away with it once, he’s going to try to do the same to the north and to the south!!

It certainly is NOT very visionary of the Planning Department to allow him to do all of these “cookie cutter” apartment buildings both downtown and throughout the City.  I wonder if years down the road they will become known as “Lloyd’s Shantytown”?

By l3wis

10 thoughts on “Remember the original plans for Phillips to the Falls?”
  1. What’s needed downtown is discount food and drug retail. Put your Walmart here.
    Lloyd Companies seems to have lots of federal funding for low income housing. It’s appropriate here near county social services and food pantrys.
    The original plan to revitalize downtown is becoming a projects something like South Chicago or Watts CA.

  2. My predictions have now become completely true. When this plan was first hatched, I predicted NO retail would ultimately be built there. It made no sense. The retail section of downtown is primarily six blocks south. Traffic counts on the ten MPH road to nowhere would never accomodate what would be needed to make it work for anybody other than somebody selling Falls Park memorabilia (talk about a tiny market). Of course, Lloyd wants it!

  3. Being the Falls is supposed to be a tourist attraction, wouldn’t it make sense to have buildings with stores/shops on the ground floor of the buildings. We have to quit subsidizing these big contractors/property management people. They all have enough money to pay their own contracting expenses. If they can’t afford it, don’t build it.

  4. Lloyd received approval for 17 temporary residential units at this site.

    Why was he then allowed to build 86 units at this location?

    Who approved this?

  5. Put a walmart at the entrance to the falls park. Remember mmm at his tv scoop a year ago on the walmarts coming. They’ll see great things happening here. Let them see how many on welfare how many low income housing is needed. Home sales are down what else do they need to see mmm. Don’t forget the armed robberies almost daily occurrences

  6. That greenway is supposed to be just that:GREEN!
    Is nt that where we have been having our recent festivals ie: German Fest, Irish Fest, etc?
    The look of those “lofts” don’t look like lofts to me…..in either outward or inner appearance, they look like apartments with no curb appeal. Please….leave that greenway alone. It’s why we tore down eyesores in the first place!

  7. Dan Daily on 05.11.14 at 4:53 pm

    Lloyd Companies seems to have lots of federal funding for low income housing. It’s appropriate here near county social services and food pantrys.

    Dan, the largest unit has a monthly rent of $2900 or $34,800 a year! Lloyd says it’s already spoken for.

  8. Since that request for change in use you’ve seen downtown change yet again. The office space is getting absorbed with companies like DocuTap and others taking up available spaces. Also, you’ve seen several retail businesses either shut down or relocate along Phillips.

    The retail needs to be absorbed and the incubator idea is a good one to help that. Retail needs rooftops, it’s all intertwined. So Lloyd is simply responding to the market, and your foot solider thinks he’s an ass for doing so?

    In the immortal words of Shatner on SNL: “Get a life, people.”

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